Legislature(1993 - 1994)

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                HOUSE MILITARY SCHOOLS TASK FORCE                              
                         PUBLIC HEARING                                        
                        September 8, 1993                                      
                            1:30 p.m.                                          
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
  Representative Mulder                                                        
  Representative Martin                                                        
  Representative Willis                                                        
  Senator Leman                                                                
  Bonnie Carroll                                                               
  Sue Wilken                                                                   
  Captain Dennis Porter                                                        
  Colonel George Vakalis                                                       
  Lt. Colonel David Melcher                                                    
  Janet Stokesbury                                                             
  Barbara Martin                                                               
  Nancy Miller                                                                 
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
  Patty Norheim                                                                
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
  First Public Hearing of the House Military Schools Task                      
  Force                                                                        
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ELDON MULDER, Chair                                           
  House Military Schools Task Force                                            
  Alaska State Legislature                                                     
  716 W. 4th Avenue, Ste. 310                                                  
  Anchorage, AK  99501                                                         
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN DENNIS PORTER                                                        
  ALCOM                                                                        
  1700 7th Street, Unit B                                                      
  Elmendorf AFB, AK 99506                                                      
                                                                               
  JANET STOKESBURY                                                             
  Chief Financial Officer                                                      
  Anchorage School District                                                    
  P.O. Box 196614                                                              
  Anchorage, AK  99519                                                         
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE TERRY MARTIN                                                  
  Alaska State Legislature                                                     
  716 W. 4th Avenue, Ste. 650                                                  
  Anchorage, AK  99501                                                         
                                                                               
  COLONEL GEORGE VAKALIS                                                       
  Garrison Commander                                                           
  ATTN: APVR-GC                                                                
  Fort Richardson, AK  99505                                                   
                                                                               
  BARBARA MARTIN                                                               
  Asst. Superintendent for Business and Finance                                
  Fairbanks School District                                                    
  P.O. Box 71250                                                               
  Fairbanks, AK  99707                                                         
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JEANNETTE JAMES                                               
  Alaska State Legislature                                                     
  P.O. Box 56622                                                               
  North Pole, AK 99705                                                         
                                                                               
  SENATOR LOREN LEMAN                                                          
  Alaska State Legislature                                                     
  716 W. 4th Avenue, Ste. 540                                                  
  Anchorage, AK  99501                                                         
                                                                               
  LT. COLONEL DAVID MELCHER                                                    
  U.S. Army                                                                    
  1372 Normandy Ct.                                                            
  Ft. Wainwright, AK  99703                                                    
                                                                               
  NANCY MILLER                                                                 
  Parent Advocacy Committee                                                    
  7350 B J Street                                                              
  Elmendorf AFB, AK 99506                                                      
                                                                               
  BONNIE CARROLL                                                               
  Governor's Appointee                                                         
  501 Donna Drive                                                              
  Anchorage, AK  99501                                                         
                                                                               
  SUE WILKEN                                                                   
  Governor's Appointee                                                         
  2600 Riverview Drive                                                         
  Fairbanks, AK  99709                                                         
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ED WILLIS                                                     
  Alaska State Legislature                                                     
  11940 Business Boulevard                                                     
  Eagle River, AK  99577                                                       
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-1, SIDE A                                                            
  Number  006                                                                  
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ELDON MULDER, ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE,                       
  called the meeting to order at 1:42 p.m.  He announced that                  
  it would be an informal meeting.  Present were                               
  Representative Willis, Senator Leman, Sue Wilken, Bonnie                     
  Carroll, Captain Dennis Porter, Colonel George Vakalis, Lt.                  
  Colonel David Melcher, Barbara Martin, Janet Stokesbury,                     
  Nancy Miller.  Representative Jeannette James was present by                 
  teleconference hookup in Fairbanks.                                          
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER introduced the members present to each                 
  other and explained that the focus of this meeting was to                    
  give an overview of the situation before the task force,                     
  introduce everyone to each other, discuss where the task                     
  force was headed and establish goals and objectives it would                 
  like to accomplish.  He also explained that the task force                   
  would define its scope of work for the remainder of the                      
  year.                                                                        
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER introduced Captain Porter to give an                   
  overview to the task force members.                                          
                                                                               
  Number 047                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN DENNIS PORTER, ALCOM, presented his Point Paper on                   
  Schools on Military Installations.  It summarized the                        
  current situation.  See attachment.  Captain Porter stated                   
  where they currently were on the on-base priority list; $3.9                 
  million was allocated from the U.S. Department of Education                  
  for Taylor and Pennel elementary schools on Eielson Air                      
  Force Base and $4.9 million for Ursa Major elementary on                     
  Fort Richardson.  He stated that, to his knowledge, the                      
  money had not actually been transferred on either one of                     
  those, because the North Star Borough School District wanted                 
  to hold out for newer buildings, brand new schools, and Ursa                 
  Major still had a problem with a lease.                                      
                                                                               
  Number 142                                                                   
                                                                               
  JANET STOKESBURY, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, ANCHORAGE SCHOOL                  
  DISTRICT, stated that the Anchorage School District should                   
  be receiving the grant (for Ursa Major) by the end of the                    
  month, but a transfer of the title of the building should                    
  come in by the end of the week and the quit claim deed and                   
  the actual allotment (indiscernible) lease would take six                    
  years.  A letter of understanding has been signed by all                     
  parties within the military and the U.S. Department of                       
  Education as well as the municipality on behalf of the                       
  school district.  She stated the U.S. Department of                          
  Education has indicated that the school district should be                   
  getting a grant by September 30.  She noted they will                        
  initially get 10 percent of the funding, approximately                       
  $496,000, and when the construction contract is awarded,                     
  they will get 50 percent of the grant money.                                 
                                                                               
  Number 155                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER discussed when the transfer action would take                 
  place.  He said the school probably would not be transferred                 
  until two summers after construction was completed.  He said                 
  the task force may want to look at a way to transfer the                     
  schools to the local school districts once the money was                     
  awarded versus once the construction was completed, so the                   
  money would not take so long to get out to the actual                        
  schools.                                                                     
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER stated the original funding agreement was                     
  very vague, but now might be the time to assign                              
  responsibilities and somehow make closure.                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER then addressed the future requirements of                     
  funds.  He stated that a funding plan of attack would need                   
  to be established, and that was his goal for the task force.                 
  Pressure would have to be put on the U.S. Department of                      
  Education to try to expedite funding, state matching funds                   
  should be approached as a source, and a Washington, D.C.                     
  based task force should be established, similar to the one                   
  here.                                                                        
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER stated for the record that                             
  Representative Martin had joined them.                                       
                                                                               
  Number 190                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE TERRY MARTIN, ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE, had                   
  two questions:  Would there be any percentage take off by                    
  the Anchorage School Board on the grant about to be                          
  received; for example, for administration costs, processing                  
  costs, etc. and would the money go straight for                              
  construction?                                                                
                                                                               
  Number 196                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY responded that since they had not actually                    
  received the grant award, they had not received any                          
  indication as to whether there would be any administrative                   
  costs.  She also noted that it was a fact that $4.9 million                  
  would be the limit.  Anything, such as any cost increases                    
  due to unforeseen circumstances beyond that would have to be                 
  absorbed by the Anchorage School District.                                   
                                                                               
  Number 205                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN asked Ms. Stokesbury to tell                           
  Superintendent Christal that he would not consider it                        
  friendly if the school district were to take 25 percent off                  
  the top for processing costs or administrative costs.                        
                                                                               
  Number 209                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER stated that he believed Representative                 
  Martin was referring to the fact that when the state makes a                 
  grant to the City of Anchorage and it goes through the                       
  municipality, a 10 percent administrative charge is taken                    
  off the top.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 215                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY responded that in the past, the district had                  
  had an administrative fee, ranging from two to six percent,                  
  depending on whether or not there was an outside project                     
  manager.  If it was done in-house, it was usually around                     
  four percent.                                                                
                                                                               
  Number 219                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN suggested that perhaps Captain Porter                  
  could monitor the situation and indicate what would be                       
  reasonable.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 225                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY responded that they would figure out the                      
  costs necessary.                                                             
                                                                               
  Number 226                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN posed his second question:  Would the                  
  general contractor be responsible for the construction bond,                 
  so the military or Anchorage would not have to have bonding                  
  over and above what the general contract does?                               
                                                                               
  Number 231                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER reiterated that the school district would be                  
  responsible for anything over the allocated $4.9 million.                    
  He inquired if they could not bond for money, where would it                 
  come from?  He noted that schools needed to be transferred                   
  as soon as possible so that processing could start more                      
  immediately.  That way if they went over the $4.9 million,                   
  there would be a source to get it without having to create                   
  something.                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN suggested matching funds from the                      
  legislators who represent each of the communities, to help                   
  handle this problem for a while.                                             
                                                                               
  Number 244                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked why Ursa Major elementary was                    
  being transferred now, but not Ursa Minor and Kennedy                        
  elementary schools.  Was that only because of the financial                  
  upgrade at Ursa Major?  Would Ursa Minor and Kennedy not be                  
  transferred until money was available for the upgrades?                      
                                                                               
  Number 247                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY said the district and Municipality of                         
  Anchorage were unwilling to take possession of the schools                   
  until they were brought up to current standards, building                    
  codes, etc.  Ursa Major was the only school being                            
  transferred at this time because it was the only one that                    
  the federal government had appropriated funds for.                           
                                                                               
  Number 260                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL GEORGE VIKALIS, GARRISON COMMANDER, FORT RICHARDSON,                 
  stated this had been in the bill for about five years and                    
  was finally coming to fruition.  Each school was addressed                   
  separately as opposed to the whole program.                                  
                                                                               
  Number 264                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER gave a brief explanation of the                        
  financial perspective by stating that if the school district                 
  did not technically own the building and the land, it could                  
  not bond for it.  It was a catch 22 situation because at the                 
  same time Anchorage did not like taking over possession                      
  until the upgrades were made.  He then asked Janet                           
  Stokesbury to give a brief overview of the school district's                 
  perspective on military schools and what they had done and                   
  were thinking about doing.                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 275                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY said they reviewed the cost estimates and                     
  project scope descriptions.  They did receive some state                     
  funding during the interim from the time the original cost                   
  estimates were done by HMS and last October when they                        
  started going through the formal process.  The school                        
  district now had a revised project scope that was approved                   
  by the U.S. Department of Education.  She said they                          
  anticipated going forward with the project and being able to                 
  complete it within the $4.9 million.  She said they also                     
  received funding for the roof on Mt. Spurr.  That money,                     
  combined with the prior state funds they received two years                  
  ago, amounted to $1.2 million to put towards the Mt. Spurr                   
  roof.  The district also received money through Senate Bill                  
  60 for district wide roofs and they would do the west wing                   
  of Orion School.  The project would be done next spring.                     
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY reported that the district also received                      
  $25,000 for Kennedy, Ursa Major, and Ursa Minor for major                    
  maintenance through Senate Bill 183.  She stated there were                  
  a lot of needs at the military schools.  An outside                          
  engineering firm was contracted by the school district in                    
  1991 to look at all the schools in the district and that was                 
  combined with the prior study by HMS in 1990.  The school                    
  district is currently in the process of bringing those                       
  figures up to date, so it could have current cost estimates.                 
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked if anyone had any questions for                  
  Ms. Stokesbury.                                                              
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER thanked the school district for their help.                   
  He mentioned that $180,000 had been taken out of the                         
  undesignated fund as part of the matching for Orion School.                  
  He mentioned that the undesignated fund was not unlimited                    
  and if the schools were taken over ahead of time, this fund                  
  would not have to be used.  Perhaps they could bond for a                    
  larger amount, whereas now, they would have to come up with                  
  another source.                                                              
                                                                               
  Number 349                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS asked Captain Porter if he was proposing                     
  that this be included in the upcoming bonding issue to the                   
  Anchorage community?                                                         
                                                                               
  Number 351                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER responded that it could not be included                       
  because they could not legally bond for the military schools                 
  before they had possession of them.  He reiterated that this                 
  was why it should be done as soon as possible.  He stated                    
  that a logical point would be when the monies were committed                 
  by the Department of Education.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 356                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN spoke regarding federal impact monies                  
  going to local districts.  According to the State Department                 
  of Education, part of that formula was for the maintenance                   
  of schools, not just the bodies attending.  He maintained                    
  that the Anchorage community had received a certain amount                   
  of money for the maintenance of schools under the impact                     
  formula and had not used it for the schools.  He said the                    
  Department of Education, under Commissioner Covey,                           
  maintained that part of that formula was for maintaining                     
  schools no matter where they were at.  Representative Martin                 
  said  he thought the Anchorage School District had an                        
  obligation and that a certain portion should be appropriated                 
  to the military schools.                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 376                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS responded that Representative Martin was                     
  right and that was the case.  However, the problem now was                   
  that the codes had changed from the time when the buildings                  
  were originally built, and they needed to be brought up to                   
  code.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 392                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY stated that prior to fiscal year '92-'93, the                 
  federal impact money associated with the students who lived                  
  on base went to the State of Alaska, not to the Anchorage                    
  School District.  The state, in turn, would allocate                         
  foundation money to the Anchorage School District and then                   
  an amount equivalent to the state tuition amount per                         
  student.  Combined with that, the district had a contract                    
  with the state.  She stated that Fairbanks had the same                      
  similar arrangement where within that contract major                         
  maintenance was left to the state and minor maintenance                      
  (defined as under $25,000) was the responsibility of the                     
  school district.  Beginning in fiscal year '92-'93, at the                   
  direction of the federal government, the federal impact                      
  money now went directly to the actual school district.  But                  
  because of the foundation formula, this resulted in a                        
  deduction to the Anchorage School district because it was                    
  getting the federal impact money, and then it would no                       
  longer receive the state tuition money.  Ms. Stokesbury said                 
  that contract was currently in the process of being                          
  negotiated or written with the Department of Education.                      
  There was not an actual contract at this time.                               
                                                                               
  Number 443                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN said now that the money was going                      
  directly it was natural that the City of Anchorage would get                 
  less in the foundation formula because the kids would not be                 
  paid for twice in two different formulas.  He stated that in                 
  the long run Anchorage makes good money off of the military                  
  schools and that should not be sacrificed in building                        
  maintenance.  The monies should be kept separate; those                      
  monies received for the military should be used directly for                 
  military.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 462                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked if Ms. Stokesbury was saying                     
  that prior to this current fiscal year the federal impact                    
  money was going through the State Department of Education,                   
  as opposed to coming directly to the school, and because of                  
  the foundation formula, Anchorage was not getting dollar for                 
  dollar for what it was being given from the federal                          
  government?                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 482                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY responded that yes, the State of Alaska was                   
  using the federal impact money as a revenue source and the                   
  school district was getting the same amount of foundation                    
  money for students on base as students off base.                             
                                                                               
  Number 488                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked if that was less, per person,                    
  than what the federal government was providing the state,                    
  supposedly for the school district.  By the time the federal                 
  government gave a dollar and it got to the school district,                  
  was the dollar that started there substantially less by the                  
  time it hit the school?                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 494                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY responded that under the new contract being                   
  negotiated with the State Department of Education for                        
  operating the on-base schools, the school district was                       
  finding that the combination of what it received with the                    
  foundation money as a state tuition money (as the old                        
  formula) for the Anchorage School District, was                              
  approximately $150-$200,000 more than when it got the                        
  federal money directly in the way the current formula was                    
  written.  It was written so there was a deduction for a                      
  portion of the federal impact money and the district not                     
  receiving any state tuition.  Ms. Stokesbury said the state                  
  had verbally stated that although they did not have a signed                 
  contract yet, this year it would make up that difference so                  
  there would not be a loss of revenue.  Otherwise, it was                     
  possible that the Anchorage School District could lose money                 
  and the same for Fairbanks.                                                  
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER repeated his previous question.  He                    
  asked what percentage of the federal dollar was left after                   
  it had been watered down through the foundation formula.                     
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER responded that there was actually more money                  
  there.  Adak lost money while Fairbanks and Anchorage made                   
  money; they got more than their dollar in 1991 from the U.S.                 
  Department of Education.  However, now, they could lose                      
  money if it was done straight across.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 556                                                                   
                                                                               
  BARBARA MARTIN, ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT FOR BUSINESS AND                    
  FINANCE, FAIRBANKS SCHOOL DISTRICT, stated that the task                     
  force should probably not get too bogged down with how the                   
  whole operating dollar aspect had shifted.  She said she                     
  would be happy to prepare a summary of this history for a                    
  subsequent meeting, so members could understand what the                     
  differences were and the underlying principles.                              
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN referred to a study conducted by the Division of                  
  Legislative Audit which looked at whether the funds flowing                  
  through the school districts and paying for the education in                 
  the military connected districts were being distributed to                   
  the students in a fair and equitable fashion.  They also                     
  looked at who was responsible for the problems the facility                  
  was facing.  The study concluded that there were a myriad of                 
  problems.                                                                    
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN continued by saying that the Fairbanks district                   
  had a study conducted in 1989 and updated in 1990 which                      
  investigated what the needs were of the military schools in                  
  the Fairbanks North Star Borough.  The district came up with                 
  a plan based on that study.  They worked with local                          
  legislators on problems and concerns and received a grant                    
  for $750,000 for some day-to-day materials in the schools.                   
  That money was spent on the military schools in Fairbanks.                   
  She also stated that Fairbanks had a progressive                             
  preventative maintenance program; U.S. Department of                         
  Education officials toured some of the schools and could not                 
  understand why Fairbanks was saying they had a problem.  She                 
  stated they'd had a huge population influx and serious                       
  overcrowding resulted.  The borough turned to the state, who                 
  agreed to commit to the problem.  She referred to two new                    
  schools that resulted; Ladd elementary school, built to                      
  educate students that live on Fort Wainwright was funded                     
  entirely by the state, and another one called Arctic Light                   
  elementary was funded entirely out of the Department of                      
  Defense budget.                                                              
                                                                               
  Number 650                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN stated that Fairbanks hoped the needs of its                      
  secondary students on Fort Wainwright would be taken care of                 
  this fall through a bond issue for the building of a new                     
  high school.  One of the other high schools would be turned                  
  into a junior high.                                                          
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN then addressed Eielson Air Force Base.  She said                  
  the U.S. Department of Education had set aside $3.9 million                  
  for the renovation of Taylor and Pennel elementary schools.                  
  Fairbanks believed that a better long term solution would be                 
  to build a new elementary school on the base.                                
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-1, SIDE B                                                            
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN thanked Representative James for her help in                      
  obtaining a $600,000 grant through Senate Bill 60 to allow                   
  Fairbanks to start preliminary work on the school.  They                     
  were currently working on that grant application.  After                     
  this new school is built, Fairbanks School District wants to                 
  renovate the Eielson junior and senior high school and                       
  renovate Anderson elementary.                                                
                                                                               
  Number 022                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS asked a question about the Chena school.                     
  Was the plan to keep Chena at the present status quo but                     
  then dispose of it, perhaps through the Department of                        
  Education, once the new school was built?                                    
                                                                               
  Number 036                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN responded yes, that was pretty accurate.                          
                                                                               
  Number 050                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked if Chena and Birch elementary                    
  schools could be eliminated from the on-base priority list.                  
                                                                               
  Number 053                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN responded that more than that could be                            
  eliminated.  She said that numbers one (Taylor elementary)                   
  and two (Pennel elementary) remained and they were the                       
  highest priorities on Eielson Air Force Base.                                
                                                                               
  Number 054                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER stated that $3.9 million was committed                 
  toward that.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 055                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN said yes, plus $600,000 from the state                            
  government.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 056                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked if that was basically just to                    
  research how much it would cost to build a new one.                          
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN said she thought it would go further into actual                  
  precise designing and initial planning.  She said she                        
  believed this was the intent.                                                
                                                                               
  Number 060                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked if there was a rough estimate as                 
  to how much it was going to run.                                             
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN responded that she did not have that number with                  
  her.                                                                         
                                                                               
  Number 062                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JEANNETTE JAMES, ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE,                    
  said that when she got the $600,000 last year in the budget,                 
  she asked someone what it would take to get the bid ready.                   
  She said the $600,000 had been identified for getting the                    
  project ready and identifying cost so they would know how                    
  much it was going to cost and the rest of the money they                     
  would need.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 066                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN said the district had used prototypical design, a                 
  plan they owned.  She said there were several schools using                  
  it, updating it and improving it.  She said they assumed                     
  they would use that similar design which would save a                        
  tremendous amount of architectural costs.                                    
                                                                               
  Number 070                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES said she needed to know what the money                  
  was, because she would be looking for it from the                            
  legislature in the next term.                                                
                                                                               
  Number 072                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER said he hoped that if the group worked                 
  together they could come up with a package backed up by                      
  legislators, citizens of the community, school districts,                    
  and military bases, that would accomplish all of the                         
  objectives.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 079                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN continued by saying that for now, the Chena                       
  elementary status quo was fine.  She stated the Fairbanks                    
  school board had acted the previous night to surplus Birch                   
  elementary and they would be working between the state and                   
  U.S. Departments of Education to find disposition for that                   
  building.  Anderson elementary and Ben Eielson junior and                    
  senior high would then be the next step.                                     
                                                                               
  Number 089                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER posed a question regarding the agreement                      
  between Chena and Birch elementary.                                          
                                                                               
  Number 092                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS responded that the agreement initially                       
  originated between the district and the community at Fort                    
  Wainwright.  He said that discussions also took place with                   
  the state Department of Education, and further discussion                    
  took place with the U.S. Department of Education.  He stated                 
  that they all agreed that they could remain status quo as                    
  long as it would not cost the Department of Education any                    
  money.  So the agreement was to remain status quo and the                    
  district could go ahead and maintain the building.                           
                                                                               
  Number 101                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER responded that he thought this further                        
  legitimized the task force because there was not really any                  
  official documentation that had been tracked by an official                  
  group pertaining to any other further agreements.                            
                                                                               
  Number 105                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS said that he agreed.  He said the army was                   
  only the initial facilitator because it was asked if it had                  
  any needs for the building.  He said the army's concern was                  
  that the children were in an overcrowded situation.  If a                    
  school building did not meet the code when it was put out of                 
  commission, and it was later decided to reuse it,  you would                 
  have to put massive money in it to bring it up to code.  He                  
  continued by saying that the army's concern and the offer                    
  that was mutually agreed upon was to go ahead and keep the                   
  building at status quo, and never close it, so they did not                  
  get caught with that problem.  It would be used as a                         
  satellite school to take care of needs in the near future.                   
  That was what was worked out between the district and the                    
  Department of Education.                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 118                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER asked if Birch elementary had been officially                 
  closed or eliminated.                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 119                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS said that was correct because the new school                 
  was open.  He said that if the district had no need for it,                  
  they planned to go to the Department of Education and                        
  petition for it to be transferred.  He stated that he                        
  thought there probably would be some need for it.                            
                                                                               
  Number 126                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER said he noticed from the list that                     
  there were no schools in Greely or Kodiak.                                   
                                                                               
  Number 127                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS responded that Kodiak was not his area.                      
                                                                               
  Number 129                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER said that transfer had taken place almost                     
  immediately after the 1990 agreement.  He said that Fort                     
  Greely and Kodiak were transferred because there was enough                  
  money in the U.S. Department of Education to pay for it.  He                 
  estimated that it had been around $2.3 million to service                    
  both of them and transfer them immediately.  He said he                      
  thought they had been transferred more because of money than                 
  priority.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 145                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS said he thought their remote location had                    
  had something to do with it.  He said the negotiation at                     
  Fort Richardson had been going on for years and was finally                  
  coming to fruition.  He also said that Greely was not a                      
  factor and he did not think Fort Wainwright was a factor                     
  either; they were really looking at Eielson, Fort                            
  Richardson, and Elmendorf.                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 158                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked if the cost estimates were still                 
  applicable?  Was the figure still $45 million to upgrade?                    
  Had requirements or costs changed?                                           
                                                                               
  Number 164                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN responded that in Fairbanks, they had adjusted                    
  the budget for the elementary project on Eielson based on                    
  what they knew about the site that had been identified.  She                 
  explained that those were just estimates.                                    
                                                                               
  Number 172                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS asked if the $40 million included Chena and                  
  Birch elementary.                                                            
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER responded that a dollar amount is put next to                 
  each one of the schools.  The school district then looks at                  
  the next school on the list and tries to determine what the                  
  highest, most immediate needs of it are.                                     
                                                                               
  Number 187                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY responded that since 1990, the building codes                 
  had changed in the school district.  She said that because                   
  of other funding, they had been able to accomplish some                      
  items already, and the school district therefore felt it                     
  could bring Ursa Major up to code within the $4.9 million.                   
  She also said that there were other schools, however, where                  
  additional dollars would be needed.                                          
                                                                               
  Number 195                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked for a cost analysis to be                        
  brought to the next task force meeting on September 30.                      
                                                                               
  Number 207                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER said he agreed and thought it was a good                      
  idea, but he encouraged them to stay with what the U.S.                      
  Department of Education had agreed to in 1990.                               
                                                                               
  Number 211                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER said he understood; he just wanted to                  
  get a more concise number that everyone could feel                           
  comfortable with.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 212                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER said he had that information and could bring                  
  it in.                                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 215                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR LOREN LEMAN, ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE asked Captain                  
  Porter to bring a breakdown for each project with the                        
  information.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 220                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER said he would and that it would consist                       
  mainly of code violations.                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 221                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN asked if there was a breakdown of the                          
  information.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 222                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER said there was a little bit of breakdown in                   
  the priority list and on the dollar amount, too.                             
                                                                               
  Number 225                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER raised the issue of touring the                        
  schools to see what they were actually talking about.  He                    
  asked if members of the task force would find that helpful.                  
                                                                               
  Number 230                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS said that Elmendorf had invited members of                   
  the school board to do this.  He said they also went through                 
  Fort Richardson and it was very beneficial for them.                         
                                                                               
  Number 247                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER stated that the task force would be                    
  having a meeting in Fairbanks, so they could do the same                     
  thing there, as well.                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 253                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES mentioned that physical disability                      
  requirements of the schools should also be considered.                       
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS stated that he thought all the schools had                   
  this problem.                                                                
                                                                               
  Number 259                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES said she thought they did too, and                      
  probably none of them were up to speed on this issue.                        
                                                                               
  Number 260                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked Captain Porter if he recalled                    
  whether the requirements passed by ADA since 1990 had been                   
  taken into consideration.                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 264                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER responded yes, and cited Ursa Major as one of                 
  the problems.                                                                
                                                                               
  Number 269                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS said that someone should probably point out                  
  those problems to the district engineers.                                    
                                                                               
  Number 274                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY stated she would be glad to arrange something                 
  for the morning of September 30.                                             
                                                                               
  Number 276                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER invited Representative James to come                   
  down and take the tour with the rest of the members.                         
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES said she would like to do that.                         
                                                                               
  Number 281                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN mentioned integrating the needs of the                 
  military school kids with the state school needs.  He                        
  mentioned the possibility of inviting the Governor's office                  
  and Commissioner Covey to come up and look at the schools                    
  and make it a joint effort.  He said that he thought, from a                 
  state level, that all the schools and kids should be treated                 
  equally, no matter where they were located and regardless of                 
  what agreement may have been made in the past.  He stated                    
  that he felt the military had been paying its way but had                    
  not been getting services.                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 313                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY said the school district did a research                       
  project with General Ralston last spring, specifically on                    
  major maintenance, that showed over $800,000 had been spent                  
  on the military schools.  This was in addition to regular                    
  preventative maintenance.  She stated that some of them were                 
  above $25,000.  She said they looked at the priorities of                    
  what was needed at the schools as they developed the budget.                 
  The military schools were not treated any differently when                   
  they were looking at general operations.                                     
                                                                               
  Number 330                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER requested a list of the maintenance                    
  projects for the Anchorage and Fairbanks School Districts.                   
                                                                               
  Number 336                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN stated that he would open his mind to                  
  it if it was over and above the grants that the school                       
  district had gotten from the legislature.                                    
                                                                               
  Number 338                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES commented that in Fairbanks, staff were                 
  doing an extensive amount of maintenance to keep under the                   
  limit.  She said she thought the schools needed more money                   
  for capital projects.                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 346                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER responded that there never seemed to                   
  be enough money for capital projects.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 348                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS asked how the military schools rated                         
  compared to the others on a total priority list of schools.                  
                                                                               
  Number 357                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY referred to a 1991 study and stated that all                  
  the schools had been looked at in Anchorage and ranked on a                  
  grid.  It showed that the military schools were not on the                   
  bottom.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 370                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS asked about the schools in Fairbanks.                        
                                                                               
  Number 371                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN responded that a CIP list showed what had been                    
  submitted to the state this year as their priorities.                        
                                                                               
  Number 374                                                                   
                                                                               
  LT. COLONEL DAVID MELCHER, U.S. ARMY, said that Eielson Air                  
  Force Base was the number one priority.  Anderson elementary                 
  and Ben Eielson high school were on the list for                             
  improvements in 1996 and 1997.  He stated that he thought                    
  military schools were getting their due in the Fairbanks                     
  area.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 379                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER said the 1991 study showed that Mt. Spurr was                 
  the fifth worst school in Anchorage.  He said that on the                    
  list of priorities it was number 13, and was now down to                     
  number 11.  He said the study was much more in-depth than                    
  what had been found in 1990.                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 397                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS said he was not inferring that military                      
  schools were in any worse shape in the local area.  He said                  
  the problem with them was the question of who owned them.                    
                                                                               
  Number 401                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER agreed that was the problem.                                  
                                                                               
  Number 403                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER said once the ownership question was                   
  resolved, the overall problem could be readdressed more                      
  realistically.  He said he believed the military in                          
  Fairbanks and Anchorage had been accepted as an integral                     
  part of the community and were very important to the                         
  economy.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 410                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS said he had never been anywhere that                         
  supported its military community as well as Anchorage and                    
  Fairbanks.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 418                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER thanked people for participating and                   
  thought government should work in this fashion.   That is,                   
  by bringing people together in the community; school                         
  districts, military, and the legislature to try to overcome                  
  this problem.                                                                
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER introduced Nancy Miller.                               
                                                                               
  Number 436                                                                   
                                                                               
  NANCY MILLER, PARENT ADVOCACY COMMITTEE, stated that out of                  
  the seven on-base schools in the Anchorage area, five were                   
  in the top 50 percent of the neediest schools in the                         
  district.  She also said that the on-base schools had been                   
  built between 1964 and 1962.  She said she got involved with                 
  the task force when she found out the condition of Mt. Spurr                 
  school, which her children attend.  She said she was excited                 
  about what the task force could accomplish.                                  
                                                                               
  Number 481                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked if anyone else on the task force                 
  had another perspective or something they thought should be                  
  focused on in the near future.                                               
                                                                               
  Number 484                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN mentioned that he had seen some of the                 
  schools in Magadan and they were much worse.  He said he                     
  planned to send letters to the PTA regarding sending books                   
  to the different schools there.  In turn, Russian books                      
  would be sent to Alaska.                                                     
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN said he thought that, under the new                    
  reapportionment plan, the military now had true                              
  representation in the legislature, and this should really                    
  help the schools there that needed things the most.                          
                                                                               
  Number 525                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER said he would like to come up with                     
  some realistic proposals and/or solutions at this task force                 
  meeting.  He said he thought the task force should review                    
  the suggestions made by Captain Porter, as a starting point.                 
  He repeated the recommendations; put pressure on the U.S.                    
  Department of Education to meet their financial requirements                 
  or obligation, take into consideration Governor Hickel's                     
  matching fund program concept, and develop a strategy to                     
  lobby the Department of Defense and the Department of                        
  Education for additional funds and give a framework of how                   
  much money was needed.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 589                                                                   
                                                                               
  BONNIE CARROLL, GOVERNOR'S APPOINTEE, ANCHORAGE, mentioned                   
  the issue of who owned the schools and the land.                             
                                                                               
  Number 594                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS said there were three entities that made it                  
  complicated:  the Department of Education who owned the                      
  schools, the district who was responsible for managing the                   
  general upkeep of the schools, and the Bureau of Land                        
  Management that owned the land.  He said once there was a                    
  single owner, many of the problems would go away.  He said                   
  the mission right now was to try to get a single owner, that                 
  being the respective districts.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 612                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. CARROLL thanked Colonel Vakalis for what he had done and                 
  said it was very impressive.                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 615                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN stated that there was another party that had not                  
  yet been mentioned and that made things more complicated                     
  than what had already been mentioned.  She referred to the                   
  municipalities being the landlord of the school buildings                    
  and having separate statute authority.  She said that the                    
  school district could not take ownership, for example, of a                  
  school on Eielson before the assembly.                                       
                                                                               
  Number 633                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS asked if that was not primarily a rubber                     
  stamp, once all the requirements of the district had been                    
  met.                                                                         
                                                                               
  Number 635                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN said that was true, to the extent of levying                      
  taxes.  She said the district did not levy taxes.  She                       
  further stated if the municipality was being asked to take                   
  ownership of a building that needed to be repaired and if it                 
  set the taxes on their taxpayers, it would be an important                   
  aspect.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 644                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked Sue Wilken to comment on her                     
  perspective of the situation there.  Were they willing to                    
  accept a long-term financial obligation?                                     
                                                                               
  Number 653                                                                   
                                                                               
  SUE WILKEN, GOVERNOR'S APPOINTEE, FAIRBANKS, responded that                  
  some people there would be very concerned about having                       
  ownership transferred to the borough, mainly because of the                  
  obligation for taxes.  She also said there was a segment of                  
  the population that did not understand the relationship of                   
  money flow, etc. from the military.  She said much would                     
  depend on how the task force stayed cohesive in its                          
  information and how the members from Fairbanks delivered                     
  that kind of information.                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 702                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN responded that her committee had been very                        
  supportive in taking responsibility for the future.  She                     
  said they had the new schools and were responsible for the                   
  future of those schools.                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 715                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES said that, for example, on Eielson                      
  there are students who are not necessarily military; she                     
  wanted to know if this was also the case in Anchorage.                       
                                                                               
  Number 723                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked her the question again.                          
                                                                               
  Number 726                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES said she was saying that the students                   
  at Eielson were from the vicinity in the community, and were                 
  not necessarily all military students.                                       
                                                                               
  Number 728                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS responded that at Fort Richardson, they were                 
  all military on-base schools and students.  He said that at                  
  Fort Wainwright, about 95 percent were military and the                      
  other small percentage were not.                                             
                                                                               
  Number 742                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER explained that there were only                         
  elementary schools on the bases in Anchorage; once the                       
  students reached junior high or senior high school, they                     
  went to community schools, for example, Bartlett and                         
  Clark.                                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 756                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES stated that she thought this made                       
  Eielson schools a little different because they were a local                 
  school district by themselves.                                               
                                                                               
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  Number 005                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER said that Ms. Wilken had brought up a                  
  good point, that one of the outcomes of the task force was                   
  that once a plan had been put together, the members would                    
  have to sell it to their constituents for support and                        
  endorsement.  He said before taking the plan to Washington,                  
  D.C., or Juneau, it would be important to have a letter of                   
  endorsement from the Fairbanks North Star Borough and                        
  Fairbanks School District and the same for Anchorage,                        
  stating that they supported the idea and were willing to                     
  participate.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 017                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES commented that for the most part, there                 
  was a lot of support for the military and they were                          
  integrated very well.                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 025                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked if there were any other comments                 
  or considerations.                                                           
                                                                               
  Number 032                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES commented that the legislation setting                  
  up the task force had a deadline of November 15 for                          
  recommendations.                                                             
                                                                               
  Number 035                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER said she was correct and future                        
  meetings were scheduled for September 30 in Anchorage,                       
  October 12 in Fairbanks, and October 25 in Anchorage.                        
                                                                               
  Number 039                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN suggested leveraging some money through                        
  volunteer work.  He cited the super playground built on                      
  Elmendorf as an example of organized volunteer work.  He                     
  thought there would be a lot of people probably willing to                   
  volunteer their time and talent on Elmendorf, Fort                           
  Richardson, Eielson and Fort Wainwright, plus other people                   
  from the community.  He thought this might be a way to                       
  expedite getting something done without having to wait                       
  several years.                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 073                                                                   
                                                                               
  Ms. CARROLL said she also had that thought in the back of                    
  her mind.  She thought it could be a good example for the                    
  community and the nation.  She wanted to know if this had                    
  been discussed in the past.                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 089                                                                   
                                                                               
  LT. COLONEL MELCHER responded that from his perspective, he                  
  had two combat heavy engineer companies under him and while                  
  he would like to break ground and do some volunteer work, he                 
  was prohibited from doing so.  He was not allowed to compete                 
  with local contractors and take away their opportunity to                    
  compete for contracts.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 094                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. CARROLL asked if this was true even on base.                             
                                                                               
  Number 095                                                                   
                                                                               
  LT. COLONEL MELCHER replied, that yes, this was the case                     
  even on base.  The use of military assets for use other than                 
  small scale local troop construction projects was                            
  prohibited.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 097                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. CARROLL asked if he could do it if he went out and got                   
  letters of nonopposition from all of the construction                        
  companies.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 098                                                                   
                                                                               
  Someone replied that was correct.                                            
                                                                               
  Number 102                                                                   
                                                                               
  LT. COLONEL MELCHER brought up the fact that they were                       
  talking about projects of large magnitude.  He cited a $14                   
  million project at Eielson Air Force Base as an example.  He                 
  said they would at least have to go to every contractor in                   
  the state and possibly other places, as well.                                
                                                                               
  Number 104                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. CARROLL said maybe little things, such as handicapped                    
  access could be put in to make a difference.                                 
                                                                               
  Number 110                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS stated if the community came up with the                     
  resources, materials and designs, it would be more of a                      
  possibility because those things all cost money.  He said he                 
  thought Senator Leman had mainly been referring to volunteer                 
  labor.  He stressed that materials would still be needed and                 
  any work done would have to be code inspected.  The                          
  volunteer work would have to be overseen.  He agreed that                    
  volunteer labor could cut down the overall cost, but it                      
  would take a lot of effort to put it together.                               
                                                                               
  Number 125                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER said the complicating factor was that                  
  this was not a church that was being raised, it was a                        
  multimillion dollar school.  But he welcomed the idea of                     
  volunteers and invited members of the task force to come up                  
  with further ideas to show community participation.                          
                                                                               
  Number 141                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN said he agreed.  He recommended the                    
  task force write a letter on behalf of each of the school                    
  districts and bases saying that the state legislature would                  
  advocate the matching leveraging of federal money available                  
  from the Department of Defense or Department of Education.                   
  Perhaps this would encourage them by showing what Alaska was                 
  willing to do by matching the money.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 162                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER pointed out that the deadline of                       
  November 15 was chosen because the Governor would put out                    
  his budget shortly thereafter.  That was the idea behind                     
  encouraging the Governor to go on a tour to try to get his                   
  support.                                                                     
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER said perhaps the task force could look at the                 
  review coming back from the seven schools in Anchorage, as                   
  far as life safety code issues.  He did not know if this had                 
  been done up at Eielson.  He asked if any of the items                       
  identified in 1988 or 1989 had been accomplished.                            
                                                                               
  Number 187                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN responded that the study was updated in 1990, but                 
  she did not know, comparing that to maintenance that may                     
  have been done, what had been taken care of.                                 
                                                                               
  Number 190                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS said he thought the leveraging was a good                    
  idea because it was enticement.  However, he said it really                  
  would not be military dollars, but instead Department of                     
  Defense and/or Department of Education dollars.                              
                                                                               
  Number 195                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN said what he had meant was to go                       
  through the Department of Defense to address the Department                  
  of Education.                                                                
                                                                               
  Number 196                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER summarized that the focus of this                      
  meetings discussion had been the successful transfer of the                  
  base schools to the local school districts.  He asked if                     
  that was a fair assessment of Fairbanks.                                     
                                                                               
  Number 202                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN asked if what he meant was that Fairbanks was                     
  interested in the transferring.                                              
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER responded yes.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 204                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN said they had always been agreeable to the                        
  transfer under the conditions they had set out in their                      
  plan.  She said, for example, they were not willing to                       
  accept Taylor and Pennel elementary in their current                         
  condition, instead they wanted a new school.  They were                      
  willing to accept Anderson and Ben Eielson if they were                      
  renovated.                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER reiterated that seemed to be the focus                 
  and premise.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 212                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES commented that she thought todays                       
  meeting was very constructive and planned to get additional                  
  ideas on paper to the task force.                                            
                                                                               
  Number 215                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER stated that the next meeting would be                  
  Thursday, September 30.  He said the task force would tour                   
  Elmendorf and Fort Richardson schools and said the Governor                  
  would be invited to go on the tour and attend the task force                 
  meeting.                                                                     
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER continued that he hoped to either have                 
  Senator Stevens or a member of his staff on line for that                    
  meeting to give them a better assessment of where things                     
  presently stood in Washington, D.C.  He further stated he                    
  had met with Senator Stevens the previous week and he had                    
  indicated that he held out some hope for additional funds to                 
  be identified.                                                               
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked the school district members to                   
  look through the list of priorities and highlight any they                   
  felt might be able to be accomplished through volunteer                      
  labor.                                                                       
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER adjourned the meeting at 3:32 p.m.                     

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